Teddy bears, they're not real.
He is a Polar, look at his claws.
This was no ordinary outing to the zoo.
It was a very special occasion.
This was part of the program filmed in 1964...
when we brought together a group of seven year old children...
from vastly different backgrounds.
We went to prep schools,
primary schools,
state schools and private schools...
and picked out fourteen children.
We brought them together because...
we wanted a glimpse of the shop stewards and the executives of the year 2000.
Give me a child until he is seven...
and I will give you the man.
These children are now fourteen,
half way between childhood and manhood.
This is our interim report.
If we did all love Jeffrey
we all want to marry. -Yeah.
I think I know the one that he'd like best and that's her.
Jackie, Lindsay, Suzan.
Plenty of boy friends, but not one. -Several ones.
Not one particularly. We're friends with plenty of boys you know.
My heart's desire is to see my daddy who is six thousand miles away.
Bruce.
No, I'm having... I'm getting along well.
With my step father.
And I like to see my father occasionally.
And he does come over from Rhodesia
Do you have any girl friend?
Nicolas from Yorkshire Dale.
I don't want to answer that.
I don't want to answer those kinds of questions.
No I'm not answering that one
Suzie.
I gave that up as a failure.
I was gonna be a policeman but I thought how hard it would be to join in.
Paul.
Baseball appeals to me most but in the school...
I'm one of the best players in form two
But when I got into the team...
they make me look like I can't play.
I feel like joining in when there's already a fight.
I was going to be a film star.
Simon.
Now I'm going to be an electrical engineer.
It's more to reality.
Singing Waltzing Matilda in Latin in an exclusive pre-prep school in Kensington,
we chose three boys.
Charles,
Andrew.
I read the Financial Times.
and John.
I read Observer and The Times.
What do you like about it?
Well, I like...
I usually look at the headlines then read...
about them...
about it.
I like my newspaper because I got shares in it written and...
I know everyday what shares are -The stuff misers like you like
No. But...
on Mondays they don't move up so I don't look at it.
I made several blunders on Seven Up.
For instance, I said I was going to Trinity Hall instead of Trinity College.
They didn't like that too much, nor did my father.
Also I rather exaggerated when I said that how much I like stocks and shares
because I don't any more.
How do you think you've changed since you were seven?
What I mean...
one grows so slowly that one never notices
I feel the same the way I felt at seven I may not be the same.
When I leave the school, I'm going to College Court...
and then I would be going to Westminster Boarding School if I pass the exam.
John passed the entrance exam and is a weekly boarder at Westminster School.
When I leave school, I'm going to the Dragon School, I might.
and mummy is... then I go to...after I might go to Charterhouse, Marlborough
Charles is at Marlborough
When I leave the school, I go to Broadstairs, St. Peter's Court.
And after that I'm going to Charterhouse.
Andrews is at Charterhouse.
When I leave the school, I'm down for Heathfield in Southover Manor
Suzie is at Southover Manor
Would everybody please sit round now?
One third of our children...
their education was pre-planned and paid for.
The remaining went to State schools and their future seemed less certain.
I want to be a jockey when I grow up. Ya, I want to be a jockey when I grow up.
Tony is on the way to achieving his ambition.
He spends all his free time at Tommy Gosling Racing Stable at Epsom.
My dad put me onto Mr. Gosling
Mr. Gosling tells me that I've to come here on every school holidays.
and learn a bit more.
Next year I'll be leaving school and work here for good.
Did your parents encourage you to do this?
Ya they're pleased... knowing what I'm gonna do.
They always have wanted me to be a Jockey.
Why?
Enjoyment. To say, `my son is a Jockey', you know what I mean!
Tony's change from Elementary school to Secondary didn't alter his ambition.
But how about the other children? Has the change of school, changed them?
Bruce was at the pre-preparatory boarding school in Surrey.
And that's Farmer. He gives me nightmares.
I was about five when I went there and then...
I suppose, I was too young really to understand it and...
I thought it was a bit severe at that time then I just got used to it.
And didn't have sort of any impulses to do things wrong or
Then I think that I just got into the track of...
you know... what they said you must do and you mustn't.
at St Pauls I like the companionship you know...
with other boys...
really.
and you get that much more in a boarding school.
Well I think boarding makes you feel self-sufficient.
And also teaches you to be away from your parents...
and to live with people for a long time...
which you've to do in later life any way.
I don't agree with that ...a certain amount
when you board on the weekly bases, you've the best of best worlds
One sees one's parents at the weekend...
and one gets all the benefits from a English Boarding School.
I think prep school boarding is a bad idea. -Yes.
Because I'm...
up till about twelve,
may be its different with other people...
I found that...
you are much more attached to your parents.
Once you come to about thirteen-fourteen,
you're not quite so attached to them.
Two of our boys who didn't have the chance to be attached to their parents
were those brought up in the children's home...
supported by charity.
Simon.
I had one dream when... everything flew up in the air...
and that all landed on my head.
Simon stayed there till last Christmas, when he returned to live with his mother.
they say where's your father then...
you know... when your mom's out at work...
where's your father,
I just tell them I haven't got one
What effect does that have on you?
Well... I don't think it's had any effect on me because...
what you don't have you don't miss as far as I can see
Also at the children's home with Simon was Paul.
He and his family immigrated when he was eight.
I don't like big boys hitting us
the staff up in the washroom sends the nurse out, well there's no talking
I wasn't talking today and...
Brown sent me out for nothing.
What do you remember of England?
It seemed to be raining all the time. I wouldn't stake my life on it
I can't remember very much!
He went to Australia to start a new life.
Well, I was going to become a bank accountant but its more book taking...
than maths and that's the main reason...
I was thinking about becoming a panel beater
And...
I don't know why.. I stopped thinking about that.
I just hadn't made up my mind yet I was gonna be a gym teacher but...
one of the teachers told me that...
I had to get up on to the University.
Were you happy at the Children's Home in England?
I didn't mind that really because I didn't know what was going on.
I was a bit young
You were happier than you are now?
In a way... yes, I was.
But then I'm happy for being home.
At the school everything you wanted you just had.
You know, everybody was your friend.
And you never knew any enemies, really.
But here...
people are undecided about you.
They can be friend one day and not the next.
Then I moved to Comprehensive School.
I found it much bigger, of course and...
I found it hard to settle in to it first.
From the Liverpool suburb returning home from the School, Neil and Peter.
I'm much more happy now than when I first came...
we have different types of people.
People have different sorts of brains
from ways of very clever people, you know...
to people haven't much sense at all really.
Well... we pretend we've got swords...
and then we make the noises of the sword-fighting...
and then once we get stabbed we'll go...
'aaaaaahh'!
I've been playing since I started at the Comprehensive School in the first year.
We play international wrestling.
Ya, that's right. That's summer time though.
Yes, and we can go on the grass.
there used to be a senior team...but they lost interest.
Watch this.
Check, mate. - O...k.
Gosh it is, how did you do that?
This is a very good idea to have competition...
other wise we start to relax really and not so try hard enough.
What do you think?
I could say, yes.
It's a good thing.
For if no one competes with you, you won't be trying it this hard.
The three little girls from East End...
had a choice of going to a Comprehensive or a Grammar School.
I am going to work in woolworths
Lindsay chose the Grammar School.
Why am I using a wooden spoon please? to stir this saucepan?
The noise.
The noise, yes. we got 16 people. 16 sauce pans.
We don't want noise from 16 people stirring with metal spoons.
This is my first choice and this is where I turned up...
even though...
my friends were going to the other school.
I just didn't feel like going to the Grammar School, I just...
Comprehensive School,
it just seemed more friendly, you know yes.. and at that time but now...
It's different. -Grammar School is fantastic.
If you say so. - we've all got our opinions.
What advantages has a Comprehensive School got?
Especially this school, it’s new they've got everything you could want
equipment and...
What I enjoy in this school is...
in this school we do metal work and wood work
The boys do cookery. we get a share of everything, sort of thing...
It's though, metal work and that
In the Grammar School, I don't think you find many girls want to do wood work
That's the difference. -That's a different school.
that shows the difference in the people.
One of the keys to the character of the 7 year old was how they spent their free time
Bruce had a school band.
When I go home, I come...
I come in and mummy gives me a cup of tea...
and then I go out and play.
And when it starts to get dark...
I come in again and put on T.V.
last night i didn't go to bed until seven.
I usually go to bed at ten o'clock or eleven o'clock.
sometimes i go to the dog racing.
i like...
going there for something to do at night
So I don't really do anything at night.
Only go to the dogs or other things other things... watch Telly.
I don't watch very much television.
I used to watch a lot but I'm not watching it so much.
And I think its good because lot of it is corrupting me a bit.
I like soap operas, i always watch them with my parents
For one thing, the advertisements you know...
I can recite about six tunes off and it just seems
a worthless thing to know
There’re too many things going on at school...
though we do have a television and...
at the weekend I can be more selective and there's
not much that I like
Well, I am quite interested in Archeology.
And we are doing a local dig in Binscombe near our school.
being in set one is very very hard to keep up with the leaders
And I've no time to relax at all.
What do you do then in the evening?
I go out with friends normally. -Yes.
Or to clubs sometimes. -Yes.
There aint many clubs round here. It's disgusting.
It really is.
You hear people're talking about it on television...
but it's really bad here in the Eastend
There's hardly anything.
There's always something to do here
I'm never ever bored.
Suzie now lives in Scotland on her father's 4000 acres estate.
its very very small really we've only got one phone
There is my zone.
it's so small there's a kitchen and dining room...
a drawing room...
and a room we mostly sit and let people in.
that's really it!
What sort of things do you do?
Write, swim, play tennis.
ping-pong,
might play croquet,
things like that.
What about social life? What's that?
In Perthshire? -Yes.
It's quite fun
There's lots of things going on.
Your dog's got a rabbit.
What are you gonna do?
do you want to save it.
Max, bring it here.
It's disgusting dog!
This is a second one you have given me in a second week.
For God's sake leave it alone.
Does that worry you?
Nope. Not at all.
I see this birds been wounded. I don't like that.
They run off and you never get a chance to kill them.
Why does it worry you if things should have to be killed?
Because I've been brought up with it
That mustn't be delayed there.
Quiet quietly! Its a very nonchalant little theme.
butter wouldn't melt in its mouth
Take it very quietly and let it just present itself
We have...
about ten pianos with practise rooms and Orchestras Choral Societies and 2 choirs
It's a marvelous music system.
there is too much competition now a days
And there are so many good pianists...
and only a very few make the grade one...
and I think its very disparaging if you can get it only half way.
Are you ambitious?
Yes.
What for?
Well...
for fame...
and power.
What sort of power?
Political power.
Are you ruthless?
Not really.
You think you can have political power without being ruthless?
Yes.
Then what qualities do you need to have political power if not ruthlessness?
Great strength of mind.
They'd like to come out for a holiday...
in the country when we like...
when I like the holiday in the town.
No, I 've been to Leeds a couple of times and...
I haven't been to Manchester.
And...
I went to London with the others when you did the first program with us.
That's the only time I've been.
Nicholas won a scholarship to Yorkshire Boarding School.
In this village there's me and then the next oldest is Andrew there.
i'm not unhappy...
living on the farm and going to the school and boarding there.
All right, it would be better than living on the farm all the time.
I won't like to live in the school all the time either.
You want to take up farming? -No.
I'm not interested in it.
I was interested in Physics and Chemistry but I'm not going to do that here.
When I grow up I like to find out all about the moon and all that.
Did your father want to be a farmer?
I don't think he really wanted to be...
but he got stuck with it.
because my grand father, he certainly probably wanted him to be a farmer.
But I don't think my father wants me to be a farmer.
And...
my youngest brother is deaf. if he can't do anything else he can run a farm
but as a last last resort.
Not till these holidays have I been out of Europe.
These holidays I went to America, stayed with somebody from the school.
Have you been abroad?
Austria.
What was it like?
Not bad!
Would you like to travel?
No.
Well, I ski in Switzerland and I enjoy that immensely and then...
we went to France this time and...
I lived in Rhodesia.
I enjoyed Switzerland most I think
I think it's a beautiful country.
I went to very interesting places.
I also enjoyed Austria but not to such a great extent.
Well, I've never been abroad. -Nah... neither did I.
I've, you know. -Oh yeah, because you went on that cruise.
I've been to Spain and...
Gibralter and... Casablanca. yeah - Oh you loved it
That was interesting though!
Traveling doesn’t really interest me a lot.
Happy where I'm.
I've been to so many places.
Sicily, Italy, France and Spain and Switzerland... many times.
Have you traveled much?
When I was at the School, we used to go... to...
have outings.
We used to go to Boxhill and places....
And we used to go to mystery tours.
and...
travel in country.
We went to History Museums for outings and...
Geographical Museum and...
Science Museum.
I've been to Madame Tussauds with my mom.
And the...
Planetarium Museum.
Do you want to go abroad?
Ya...
Ya, I would like to go to Majorca
take a couple of weeks out there from everything
sort of relax myself
No but I said that when boys go around with girls...
they don't pay attention to what they're doing.
My Grand mother had an accident because a boy friend was kissing...
his girl friend in the street.
The girls never do what the boys want They always start playing with dolls...
when the boys want to play rough and tumble.
It's quite true!
Beginning to become more important. -Ya!
In what way?
Well, they're no longer just bores.
"We won't play this" or some thing.
well, its half of the community and they're there.
And you can begin to talk to them.
I think they're still bores for the most part
When I get married I will like to have two children.
You want a Nanny to look after them or you ?
No, I want Nanny to look after them.
Do you have any boy friend Suzie?
Well, my girl friend...
is in Africa and I don't think I have another chance of seeing her again
And there're two in Switzerland which I liked too in a hotel.
Do you have any girl friend?
No... not yet!
I'm sure it will come but not yet!
Say... you had a wife...
Say... say you have to eat what they cook you...
and say I don't like greens well I don't...
and say... she says you have to eat...
what you're given... so...
I don't like greens so if she gives me greens then that's it
I prefer to be alone really
I wouldn't mind living with my brother you know...
but otherwise I prefer to live alone.
Sometime on Saturday mornings I go to the cinema
Sometime with my friends and sometimes with him.
You don't! -I do!
She don't. I don't always see you
you go to different cinema
Have you got a girl friend? -No.
Would you like to have a girl friend?
No.
I thought that one would come up because when I was...
when I was doing the other film said `what do you think about girls?'
and I had said that I don't answer questions like that
is that the reason you're asking it? yeah i thought so
What do you want me to say?
I don't know what to say.
Once... Caroline Tetford said she was good, she loved me.
What happened after that?
And I am going to marry her when I grow up.
I hate her. She's always cursing bad temper and cross with me.
Is she?
Yes! Neil Hughes! Move your desk forward.
perhaps I'm not mature enough yet to be interested.
See, he loves Suzan because Suzan loves him.
He loves Lindsay and Lindsay loves him. -I doubt it!
Have you got any boy friends?
oh...
that's personal isn't it!
i don't like the way you came out with that
We shouldn't tell him... shall we?
What do you think about making this program?
I think this is ridiculous. There's no point in doing it.
Why not?
What's the point people going into peoples lives and saying.
why do you like this, why don't you like this. i see no point in it.
What's the point of the program?
if the point is to reach a comparison.
I don't think it is!
Because we're not necessarily typical examples.
And I think that's what people seeing the program might think.
Yes -Falsely.
And they would intend to type-cast us.
So everything we say,
they will think, Oh! that's a typical result...
of the public school system. -Ya!
Well, in what way aren't you typical?
Well, I'm bit more reactionary than most.
I don't know. None of the parties really seems to agree with me.
I think if I had voted, I had voted Labour.
I would've voted Conservatives.
I don't think I would vote for any of them.
Conservatives.
The Conservatives would do the best for the country.
I think they're all as bad as each other really
Labour.
I don't really know.
I know what i wouldn't vote though
what way?
Labour.
Conservatives.
Why? -Why?
I don't know i don't know
I really don't know much about politics and it doesn't interest me, so
I don't really bother.
I didn't agree with the conservatives, what they're doing with the Black people
You know...the racial policy
Jacqueline, what do you think about colour people?
You said to me once you like them but what do you really think about them?
Well, they're nice and its as same as us really.
But one thing...
it's only because their skin is brown and we're white, sort of pinkish we're...
Do you think of a purple person...
with red eyes,
yellow feet and...
I can't really think of what they really look like.
They are just the same as me, isn't it?
I don't... anybody who is coloured.
I don't want to know anybody who is coloured. Thank you very much!
I'm not against coloured people...
but I wouldn't worry if I didn't know one until the day I died.
People have got to get used to
knowing coloured people.
And coloured people in turn have got to get used to
being with white people...
because... if either side doesn't work proparly,
then no side work properly.
People just got to mix in with
every body else.
I do think it's wrong but in a country...
like England...
there should be places where the...
there are more coloured people than the white people.
Good old Enoch Powell
personally I've nothing against coloured people.
I think they're same as every body else.
But it seems that they...there's lot of argument about them because...
as any foreigner really...
they're taking up people's jobs in England.
I don't care what colour sombody is.
unless they're blue that would be pretty peculiar.
But...
might find somebody yet
You know, I don't care about colour.
Well, I think both Black and Whites are equal.
As long as they are there, they as well educated each other
What do you feel about racial discrimination?
strong avow
Why?
Because so is any kind of discrimination
Of a basic nature that you can't change,
I mean I couldn't care less if people discriminated
against because they are...
nasty or selfish or any thing but...
I mean one can't help one's colour.
So
Now that you are interested in politics would like to be a politician
what kind of things would you change?
I won't allow any strikes!
How would you do that?
I would set about a Tribunal...
where people...
workers could apply for...
better wages and...
this Tribunal would have the final word and...
if it says `no wage rise', no wage rise.
It’s a big problem because of the discussion i think
The workers do tend to take fewer liberties as regards strikes.
Who do you think to blame for strikes? The workers or the management?
The manager probably…
say the workers and we will probably get a load of letters or something like that
It seems to me iniquitous that people should be paid...
when they don't do any work.
Which is what unions do do
I'm not commenting because mom has been out on strike.
Ya… so is mine!
Very irresponsible because we all want more money as much money as we can get.
And what will happen if we all stopped working just because we want more money?
I want money. Why shouldn’t I strike for it? I am sure anyone.
If you want more money, you will strike for it.
That’s right! Ya! That’s right!
They're going to strike for it, they're going to get more money.
the school meals are going up so they're going to strike, they want more money
It's going to keep on going going going you know...
Truly by crushing...
strikes.
Then in a way that’s defeating…
a small part democracy.
It's not because they'd still have their...
They'll still be able to ask for more money.
But they wouldn't be able to strike for it which I mean...
it's so damaging
It's still depriving them their freedom to strike.
so is putting people in prison
depriving them their freedom to go on killing people and stealing from people
Who is going to do this, they're not going to be voted in the parliament.
So its not worth it.
You can always decide a new policy once you are in.
What do they think about each other?
And how'll they act together?
To find out, we invited them all to one big party...
and joined in.
Yes, they were bit too tough for my liking.
Somebody hit me right in the back and I 've still got some pain there.
The posh ones O! Yes. O! yes. O! Yes.
They're nuts!
you just have to touch them
And some of them were rather dirty.
what did you think about them? -I played with them quiet naturally.
I think they were rather nice, really.
What do you think about rich people?
Well... not much. -Tell me about it.
They think they can do everything without you doing it as well...
they think just because they're rich...
they have to have people
that have to do all their work and stuff.
What would you do if you have lots of money, about say... two pounds?
I would help the poor.
Ya because the poor if you don't, they all would die.
Wouldn't they?
And everytime we've a harvest festival, we send them food.
Once these two went round giving food out with Mr. Floyd.
I don't think much of the accents.
Neither do I. -Neither do I.
That doesn't prevent me liking them.
Rich children always make fun of poor children.
Yes. -Yes they say, O! look at that lovely little sissy over there
Yes, and they throw things at them.
Yes.
And poor child gets scared to death.
Do you meet here many boys from very different social backgrounds?
Not really.
Do you find that a lack in your life?
No.
Why?
I don't feel any lack any where.
Do you feel you should be meeting broader persons from the different back grounds?
Not really.
You don’t think you are missing?
No.
I don't see what background's got to do with it
They are people from so many...
I think it's the interest that makes it worth
there's people with so many... varied interests in the school,
I can't imagine of any more.
I don't really see why background enters it
If everybody is the same as every body else...
no body would be missing any thing.
And people...
rich people... they've all different things.
Have everything they want.
Where as poor people...
they don't have nothing and they know that.
And they know that they have got nothing.
So they know they are missing something.
What are you missing?
Well... possibly
a bike and a fishing rod and...
Ya, they like...they can get what they want, can't they?
We've got to work for it.
they just ask for money.
and get it.
and buy what they want.
What effect does that have on them?
Spoilt
it spoils them doesn't it
if you want to accuse us
The public schools are producing snobs...
by mixing only a
couple of classes, the upper and middle
And Comprehensive Schools can be accused of producing proles
because they only mix with lower and the middle.
So its like saying that public schools like Tom Brown school days...
We do mix with people from the town.
They can be all right.
Yeah, but I don't like people who are too posh
they look down on every body else.
They think they are better. -Yeah.
I think the people are much more conscious of wanting to become snobs...
because the difference that...
the differences that use to separate the classes...
have diminished greatly.
I mean everyone was a Duke when he used to be set above...
everybody else...
but now...
look at the Duke of....!
I think people climb less class cultures...
beacuse I mean...
with hippies you don't get the impression...
that one hippie says...
I'm so big guy because I'm upper class and you're...
some petty person because you're lower class.
Yes.
And any body can become a hippie.
I think this is happening through out the country.
........they don't enforce...
being upper class and...
things like that...
as st pauls..they suggest that you don’t have long hair and do get it cut.
they teach you to be well mannered but not to sniff on the poor people.
some are good with their money and money and give it...
for charitable purpose.
Some of them just do not know what to do with their money.
They just spend it...waste it.
People need it.
I don’t like poverty for any body.
It kinda depresses me.
When I went to Glasgow...
and I saw the Gorbals
That rather upset me.
Why?
Well, to think that people are living in that state.
When we waste things... every day.
Some people are just born into rich families and they're lucky.
I don’t see why they should have the luck when people worked all their lives
and they've got half of as much as they have
doesn't seem fair.
I usually get about a five or six pounds a week
What do you do with it?
I save some, spend some.
Well, I get a pound a week.
And...
what I usually do
in the middle of the week...
my mom takes half back
and I save the other half
as much as possible.
Well, out of my permanent job I get four dollars fifty.
40 pence a week
What do you spend it on?
Well, I need to spend very little on schools.
I collect stamps so...
I spend quite a lot on them.
My dad gives me about three pounds a week...
And mum gives me one pound fifty pence
And my brother give me some.
Mr.Gosling gives me four pounds, pocket money every week.
I don't want to be rich but I like to have enough money.
What do you mean by enough?
Enough to have a nice house and...
be able to send the children to a private school if I want to.
I mean almost everybody likes money. Not for the fact that it....
I don't like looking at money It doesn't give me any pleasure like that.
But I certainly don't want to be poor or live in a slum but...
I had...I don't...
I mean a person with one million pounds is not going to be much...
is not going to be more or less happy than a person with two million pounds.
Money is not every thing.
It means a lot to us now
the clothes and new fashions and skirts and that
You need money because... -Yeah what's skirts
they're clothes... yeah, you need clothes
money can’t buy happiness. -Oh no! you got to work for that yourself havent you
Do you want to be rich?
I don't mind i like staying where i am
I don't want to be very rich but I don’t want to be poor either.
What about you Jackie?
Just live comfortable. -Ya just have what you want, nothing stressfull
as long as you've got all you need.
Do you want to be rich?
I won't mind.
Do you want to be rich?
Yes, because I don't want to be tied down to the...
the dullness of an every day job.
I want to be able to have enough money so I can indulge in...
things that interests me...
like collecting paintings.
No! No because if you're rich you get bored of being rich.
Same... if you're poor, you get bored of being poor.
You can't have too much of a good thing.
And if you're healthy and have good friends, you can get on perfectly well.
but everybody would like to be rich.
Mainly to be self-sufficient.
To feel that you don't have to owe anything to any body.
I would help people...
if I had a chance.
By say, giving...
little bit of money to charity or sponsoring things or things like that.
I mean it is wrong,
one should drive oneself...
to make a lot of money because in the end...
you might have caused so many people....
ruined so many people
that you will be unhappy
and what's the use of lot of money if you're unhappy?
You've to have it to live and...
though, sort of problems you have to face and every thing is concrete and
doesn’t seem to be possible for anything to be invisible or...
you can’t see it.
I mean people...
all the sciences said
we've looked up into the space and we haven't seen God so there isn’t a God.
And it just seems fatuous
Do you believe in God?
I'm not sure whether I believe in God I think to myself I don't know.
So...I don't know.
Yes, I'd say I believed in God.
Are you religious?
Well I go to Church with my parents on Sundays.
You got to believe in something.
So God seems to be the most logically really.
I am not deeply religious. No, I don't believe in God.
Why?
That's a difficult question to answer `why?'
I just do
It's either a `Yes' or `No' question.
You're brought up to believe in Him and i do.
You must've your own opinion on that as well.
Ya... -I don't really know
I mean if I do or not.
Don't really think about it very much.
No, you don't have much time to think about it
No when there's so much activity in in school and after school.
I would like to certainly think about or talk to some one about.
When I sit down and think...
I think I believe in God.
But if somebody just asks me I will say `no'!
Supposed just to be big
Why do you believe in God?
I believe in God because...
somebody had to make the world
this world
they call Him what everybody else calls Him Which is God.
You can't really say if there is God or not. Can you?
You haven't seen him.
You can't say!
When you were seven, you wanted to be a Missionary. any thoughts on that?
No I don't want to be a Missionary because I can't talk about it to people.
You know...
I'm interested in it myself but..
I wouldn't be very good at it at all...
and I wouldn't enjoy it.
Why won't you be good at it?
Well...
I'm just not very good at...
at standing up in front of people and making a speech or any thing like that
I like to keep it private, you know
Well, going to Africa...
and try and teach people who are not civilized...
to be more or less good.
And after that Trinity Hall, Cambridge.
I am going to work in woolworths
I might go to Oxford.
I'll just walk around...
and see what I can find.
Then we think, I am going...
to Cambridge and Trinity Hall.
I don't think I need to go to university because I'm not gonna be a teacher.
I don't think you want to go to university if you want to be an astronaut
What does university mean?
Well...
When I grow up I like to find out all about the moon and all that.
If I can't be an astonaut I think I'll be a coach driver.
It is probably linked up with the fact that now I like traveling.
My thought hasn't really changed I would like to be a Coach driver now.
You wanted to be an astronaut when you were seven.
Ya!
What feelings have you got on that subject?
Well, changed now completely of course.
I mean it was just the imagination of a seven year old.
I'll buy myself a nice new made house
that's all nice and comfy.
I would like to be a...
have a happy family.
I mean I know it's not possible to be happy all the time...
but as much as the time it was possible.
Just... be content with what I'm doing and be happy with it.
And to know where I'm going...
and to remember fondly what I've done.
I think I'm following a legal career...
with a view to ending in parliament.
I would like to do may be shorthand typing or some thing like that.
Nothing too much, just wonder.
Be like every body else.
Nothing too... marvelous!
What would you do if you don't make it as a Jockey?
I don't know. If I knew I couldn't be one...
I would get out of it
wouldn't bother.
What do you think you would do then?
i'll learn taxi's
A Taxi driver.
There is a danger that you would get married...
at the early twenties and have children quickly and then be...
stuck at home.
Have you any thoughts on that?
I don't really think very much. -I know.
I don't think...
I'll get married too early. I like to have a full life first and...
Get some job before. -Ya.
before you commit yourself to a family
How do you think England would change over the next few years?
England? -Yes.
Not very much!
England is too English, you know what I mean.
Are you a traditionalist?
Yes!
In what way?
I like tradition.
Do you expect to live your life in England?
I think it's just about the best place you can live your life in England
Why?
I think the
Parliamentary System is agreeable.
I mean...
to me at least and...
and that's about it. One's free in England.
one has good opportunities for everything.
Well, we've got much more equal opportunities.
In those days the people at the bottom really had to work.
Like Blacks...so that they could achieve something.
Now a days...
to get kicks out of life...
you've to use synthetic means where originally...
earlier on...
forty years ago...
these things came in life.
With the coming...
with all the modern world... we are in the modern world today.
All... lots of these things've been stopped.
Lot of enjoyment of life has been taken out of it.
Yes! The natural enjoyment.
Nothing is being taken out. It’s just people.
It’s still there if you look for it.
How many people can look for it?
- how many people can look for it. - Every body can pursue happiness.
At the end of their very special day in London...
after their trip to the zoo and the party...
we took our children to an adventure play ground...
where they could do just what they like.
There's from a children's home set about building a house.
That's Nicholas.
And Tony.
Andrew.
And Bruce.
John.
Suzie.
Jackie and her friends.
Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man.
This has been a glimpse of Britain's future.